Comments for Panaceia or Hygeia http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com immunize yourself against the pandemic of lifestyle diseases Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:56 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on The Zamboni Myth by chrishadms http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-zamboni-myth/#comment-147 chrishadms Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:38:56 +0000 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/?p=1059#comment-147 I just spoke to a doctor friend who is a Neurologist and had him read this paper. His words to me were this, "Ignore him. The man has absolutely no knowledge of the human body or he wouldn't have wrote 'peoples eyes would be bugging out of their heads.' Let him be the guy who is sitting in the corner looking stupid in two years" I just spoke to a doctor friend who is a Neurologist and had him read this paper. His words to me were this,

“Ignore him. The man has absolutely no knowledge of the human body or he wouldn’t have wrote ‘peoples eyes would be bugging out of their heads.’ Let him be the guy who is sitting in the corner looking stupid in two years”

]]> Comment on The Zamboni Myth by lewchapman http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-zamboni-myth/#comment-146 lewchapman Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:11:23 +0000 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/?p=1059#comment-146 I actually read all of what I hadn't read already being a recipient of this 'bogus' procedure. One doesn't even have to try to argue with this guy, who obviously has too much time on his hands (a classic case of "liberal arts PhD sans work"). I call bullshit with one sentence. "If you claim this is a myth in the absence of proof, then how can you say it is a myth since their is no proof in your argument either? Show us the proof of that. You show no real evidence of why this wouldn't work, only that the research needs to be proven, which is in process right now. This same approach that the author takes could have been applied to Jonas Salk's poliio vaccine when it was first introduced. There is a massive difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is simply not knowing, which is really what you say about this, yet you present it as stupidity. You speak about the turbulence of the blood in the large veins around the heart. Guess what dude?, these ain't those. The writing style reminds me of Ignatius J. Reily in John Kennedy Thoole's "A Confederacy of Dunces", which should be required reading if you ask me. The words are eloquently laid out, yet there is no spine to the argument. Just eloquent prose which the writer probably had great success with in the halls of academia; not in the real world. So like IJ Reily, us that 'go for this' must be looked down upon and of inferior intellect. I'm not kidding. If you've read that book, it immediately had the feel of Reily writing in the first person. I won't call you names or call you out, but use your own argument. Since it is now obvious that the money that has been "intimidated" out of the Canadian MS Society to research this will be spent to prove or disprove, just keep it in your pants until then. I actually read all of what I hadn’t read already being a recipient of this ‘bogus’ procedure. One doesn’t even have to try to argue with this guy, who obviously has too much time on his hands (a classic case of “liberal arts PhD sans work”). I call bullshit with one sentence. “If you claim this is a myth in the absence of proof, then how can you say it is a myth since their is no proof in your argument either? Show us the proof of that. You show no real evidence of why this wouldn’t work, only that the research needs to be proven, which is in process right now. This same approach that the author takes could have been applied to Jonas Salk’s poliio vaccine when it was first introduced. There is a massive difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is simply not knowing, which is really what you say about this, yet you present it as stupidity. You speak about the turbulence of the blood in the large veins around the heart. Guess what dude?, these ain’t those.

The writing style reminds me of Ignatius J. Reily in John Kennedy Thoole’s “A Confederacy of Dunces”, which should be required reading if you ask me. The words are eloquently laid out, yet there is no spine to the argument. Just eloquent prose which the writer probably had great success with in the halls of academia; not in the real world. So like IJ Reily, us that ‘go for this’ must be looked down upon and of inferior intellect. I’m not kidding. If you’ve read that book, it immediately had the feel of Reily writing in the first person.

I won’t call you names or call you out, but use your own argument. Since it is now obvious that the money that has been “intimidated” out of the Canadian MS Society to research this will be spent to prove or disprove, just keep it in your pants until then.

]]> Comment on The Zamboni Myth by chrishadms http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-zamboni-myth/#comment-145 chrishadms Wed, 25 Nov 2009 16:40:55 +0000 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/?p=1059#comment-145 Some of us are lucky enough to know the people with RRMS, SPMS, and PPMS who have had this procedure. Some of us are lucky enough to know that 65 MS people with 235 controls have been treated with the liberation procedure. Some of us know that no one progressed or showed any new activity unless they restenosised. Some of us realize the disability comes from Iron poisoning from the huge Iron deposits deep in the brain from improper draining of the tissue. Some of us know the same exact condition called CVI exists in the leg veins and also results in ugly lesions. Some of us are doorknobs who write articles that have 0 scientific fact. Some of us have fun playing Devils advocate because we have the same exact personality as the "Comic Book Guy" from the Simpson's. Some of us want to be popular so they make inflammatory websites that have 0 to do with helping people. Some of us have never figured out how to make friends. Some of us have no idea how to be empathetic, understanding, or compassionate. Some of us are really sad and lonely. The previous paragraph totally describes the person this website belongs too...and I am saying this to stop him from doing it...I bet this is the same guy who would email me or leave a comment bragging themselves up because no one else would do it for them. For us MS'er's out there reading this...just remember it could be worse, you could be as disabled as this guy!! Chris T. Young www.chrishadms.com Some of us are lucky enough to know the people with RRMS, SPMS, and PPMS who have had this procedure. Some of us are lucky enough to know that 65 MS people with 235 controls have been treated with the liberation procedure. Some of us know that no one progressed or showed any new activity unless they restenosised. Some of us realize the disability comes from Iron poisoning from the huge Iron deposits deep in the brain from improper draining of the tissue. Some of us know the same exact condition called CVI exists in the leg veins and also results in ugly lesions.

Some of us are doorknobs who write articles that have 0 scientific fact. Some of us have fun playing Devils advocate because we have the same exact personality as the “Comic Book Guy” from the Simpson’s. Some of us want to be popular so they make inflammatory websites that have 0 to do with helping people. Some of us have never figured out how to make friends. Some of us have no idea how to be empathetic, understanding, or compassionate. Some of us are really sad and lonely.

The previous paragraph totally describes the person this website belongs too…and I am saying this to stop him from doing it…I bet this is the same guy who would email me or leave a comment bragging themselves up because no one else would do it for them.

For us MS’er’s out there reading this…just remember it could be worse, you could be as disabled as this guy!!

Chris T. Young
http://www.chrishadms.com

]]> Comment on The Zamboni Myth by stillhere22 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-zamboni-myth/#comment-144 stillhere22 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:07:21 +0000 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/?p=1059#comment-144 To call Zamboni’s theory a myth at such an early stage shows very poor judgement. Zamboni and several other medical professionals (all very well respected in their particular disciplines) are actively working on the appropriate studies to assess efficacy. In fact, the MS Society of Canada has made millions of dollars available in funding to underpin such studies. Clearly, this sort of backing does not happen without there being sufficient reason to do so. Without facts and controlled tests it would be wrong to herald CCSVI as any kind of cure (although preliminary data does look extremely encouraging) and conversely, without evidence to prove otherwise it is equally wrong to pronounce it as a myth. Shame on you Colin, some might say that a person in your position should know better. Mark - UK To call Zamboni’s theory a myth at such an early stage shows very poor judgement.

Zamboni and several other medical professionals (all very well respected in their particular disciplines) are actively working on the appropriate studies to assess efficacy. In fact, the MS Society of Canada has made millions of dollars available in funding to underpin such studies. Clearly, this sort of backing does not happen without there being sufficient reason to do so.

Without facts and controlled tests it would be wrong to herald CCSVI as any kind of cure (although preliminary data does look extremely encouraging) and conversely, without evidence to prove otherwise it is equally wrong to pronounce it as a myth.

Shame on you Colin, some might say that a person in your position should know better.

Mark – UK

]]> Comment on The Zamboni Myth by reason21 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-zamboni-myth/#comment-143 reason21 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:21:04 +0000 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/?p=1059#comment-143 Is there any trustworthy information about the Colin Rose Myth?? There are many cases known of stressed and confused people who try to get attention. In most cases they focus on what seems to be emerging developments. They mention some important lines of the subject, followed by an opinion thtat lacks any knowledge of the subject they talk about. Colin Rose is a good example of such a myth. He never gets really interesting in his blog; he just screams; 'Cars are dangerous and kill people, if yo hit al wall with 50mph..you're dead!' I suppose one of the first "colin Rose' cases was the man who tried to stop the introduction of trains in the US, a few centuries ago. Animals would die because of the pollution, the noise of the train would drive people nuts (well, one person did) Isn't there a term for this...Rosalism or something like that?? Maybe these Rosalized patients can be helped, maybe they got a disturbed blood stream, i pray for them. They are a worst case of lack of attention, interest and love. Is there any trustworthy information about the Colin Rose Myth?? There are many cases known of stressed and confused people who try to get attention. In most cases they focus on what seems to be emerging developments. They mention some important lines of the subject, followed by an opinion thtat lacks any knowledge of the subject they talk about. Colin Rose is a good example of such a myth.
He never gets really interesting in his blog; he just screams; ‘Cars are dangerous and kill people, if yo hit al wall with 50mph..you’re dead!’
I suppose one of the first “colin Rose’ cases was the man who tried to stop the introduction of trains in the US, a few centuries ago. Animals would die because of the pollution, the noise of the train would drive people nuts (well, one person did)
Isn’t there a term for this…Rosalism or something like that??

Maybe these Rosalized patients can be helped, maybe they got a disturbed blood stream, i pray for them. They are a worst case of lack of attention, interest and love.

]]> Comment on The Zamboni Myth by remy9111 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-zamboni-myth/#comment-142 remy9111 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:55:39 +0000 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/?p=1059#comment-142 Colin, You lost my respect and all credibility when you decided to personally attack Joan whom you say is "enthralled by the Zamboni myth." I would find your case more compelling and "objective" if you didn't feel the need to mock her. Why is that necessary? You are just as bad as the overly optimistic CCSVI proponents. Consider me a fellow PhD who thinks you behave badly for an educated person. Colin, You lost my respect and all credibility when you decided to personally attack Joan whom you say is “enthralled by the Zamboni myth.” I would find your case more compelling and “objective” if you didn’t feel the need to mock her. Why is that necessary? You are just as bad as the overly optimistic CCSVI proponents. Consider me a fellow PhD who thinks you behave badly for an educated person.

]]> Comment on The Zamboni Myth by aldo29 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/the-zamboni-myth/#comment-141 aldo29 Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:04:11 +0000 http://medicalmyths.wordpress.com/?p=1059#comment-141 Colin, Are YOU a clinician or otherwise medically qualified in any way? If not then what you propose here is an opinion or conjecture as a layperson and it is a bit early for you to call new research material a myth. You are surely not seeking to create a myth yourself where none exists? The interest and excitement is understandable. People ARE being tested and FOUND with venous malformations - otherwise there is a case of medical malpractice. People are objectively better after treatment and continue to improve and not relapse. One needs to step back and look outside the box for answers because "within the box" to date no-one has been able to explain the actual cause of MS - it just is i.e. unknown origin. Consider this - the connection to MS aside a medical scientist in the fields of vascular or neurological disorders, would work in conjunction with others in and with team based approach probably at a major medical institution with very little funding by testing the hypothesis in double blinded studies where facts, methodologies and interpretations can be published and peer reviewed. This is the Scientific way and it is by its very nature a highly skeptical and efficient process. Scientific consensus will eventually result form the process and body of evidence. Medical investigators are skeptics by training and practice and your assertions appear to be unsupported by the evidence. Adolfo G. - Melbourne Australia Colin,

Are YOU a clinician or otherwise medically qualified in any way?

If not then what you propose here is an opinion or conjecture as a layperson and it is a bit early for you to call new research material a myth.

You are surely not seeking to create a myth yourself where none exists? The interest and excitement is understandable. People ARE being tested and FOUND with venous malformations – otherwise there is a case of medical malpractice. People are objectively better after treatment and continue to improve and not relapse.

One needs to step back and look outside the box for answers because “within the box” to date no-one has been able to explain the actual cause of MS – it just is i.e. unknown origin.

Consider this – the connection to MS aside a medical scientist in the fields of vascular or neurological disorders, would work in conjunction with others in and with team based approach probably at a major medical institution with very little funding by testing the hypothesis in double blinded studies where facts, methodologies and interpretations can be published and peer reviewed.

This is the Scientific way and it is by its very nature a highly skeptical and efficient process. Scientific consensus will eventually result form the process and body of evidence. Medical investigators are skeptics by training and practice and your assertions appear to be unsupported by the evidence.

Adolfo G. – Melbourne Australia

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